虽说李立德如今正因为何明的灭门案而忙得焦头烂额德庆皇帝只留给三司留下十天的破案时间,但无论刑部还是大理寺,又或者都察院,至今都还没有丝毫的头绪但收到赵俊臣的名帖后,李立德还是第一时间就赶来了,并且心情颇佳。
无他,自“突发急病”以来,赵俊臣对于门下官员皆是避而不见,唯独屡屡把李立德召来详谈,虽说有何明灭门案的缘故,但若是借着机会好好表现,在李立德想来,未必就不能提高自己在赵俊臣心中的地位。
所以,来到赵俊臣的书房后,赵俊臣刚刚让他落座,李立德就略带急切的再次起身,向赵俊臣表现道:“大人再次召见下官,可还是因为何明老太师灭门案的事情还请大人放心,下官已是派出刑部中的得力人手,老道部员,联合大理寺与都察院的人一同查案,想必很快就会有结果的。”
赵俊臣先是点了点头,接着又摇了摇头,缓缓说道:“你办事,我自然放心,不过今日找你来我这儿,却不是为了何明老太师的案子。”
李立德不由一愣,抬头向着赵俊臣看去,才发现赵俊臣此时的表情很qiguai,似喜似忧,又似乎在沉思着什么。总裁深度爱
“不知究竟何事还请大人指教。”
赵俊臣沉声道:“这件事情,今天陛下才与本官一同定了下来,尚处于秘密筹备阶段。如今与你说,亦是希望能借你之力,但你切不可向他人泄露消息。”
王立德明白赵俊臣这是要向自己透漏什么机密之事。显然把自己当做亲近之人看待,不由面露期待。
其实,只是因为这西厂筹建的事情,赵俊臣经验不足,没有太多头绪,而如今在赵俊臣的门下,也只有身为刑部侍郎的李立德可以帮忙出出主意罢了。
于是就在李立德的期待之间。赵俊臣缓声说道:“如今陛下已是有意重建西厂,不过此次情况,却与之前不同。并非由内廷负责,而是交由本官,重建之后,亦是由本官担任厂督。”
和许庆彦一样。李立德也没有想到这件事所蕴含的危机。只想到了西厂未废时的种种威风,不由大喜,忍不住再次站起身来,大声说道:“大人此言当真这可真是大喜事啊若是大人兼任了西厂厂督之位,日后您在朝中的权势影响,必是会大涨的,那么咱们就再也不惧任何人了。”
一旦赵俊臣势大,身为赵俊臣门下的官员。李立德的地位权势自然也水涨船高,此时的李立德。只觉得自己跟对了人。
赵俊臣见李立德如此,也没有向他解释其中的隐忧,只是叹息一声,摇头道:“事情哪里有这么简单陛下虽说把这差事强交给了我,但西厂这般监察缉审的衙门该如何筹建,我又如何懂得今日把你叫来,是因为你在刑部任职多年,相关经验丰富,与那东厂和锦衣卫也有了解激echu,却是想要向你请教了。”
听赵俊臣这么说,李立德连忙摆手道:“大人言重了,以大人的聪慧才智,对这些小事自是一听就懂一看就明,指点两字,又如何说得。”
说话间,见赵俊臣只是静静的看着自己,并没有多说什么,显然不愿意只听这般客套话,李立德又说道:“不过正如大人所说,下官在刑部多年,与东厂衙门多有激echu,对于如今西厂筹建,心中也略有所得,还望大人指教。”
说到这里,只见李立德沉吟片刻后,又缓缓开口道:“据下官所知,当初西厂的规划建制,一向都是参照东厂的,而东厂自厂督以下,设掌班、领班、司房五六十人,皆是由锦衣卫拨给,分为子丑寅卯十二班而负责具体侦缉工作的,则是下面的档头和番子,共有两百多人,同样分为子丑寅卯十二班,亦同样是由锦衣卫中挑选的精干分子组成。”
赵俊臣对此却不太了解,不由一愣,说道:“哦这东厂的建制倒是精练,竟是仅有区区三百人左右,这么点人又如何足够自厩到地方的巡查缉捕倒是出乎本官意料之外。”
李立德笑道:“这就是下官要向大人禀报的关键之处了,这东厂人数虽然不多,但锦衣卫的人多啊。东厂与锦衣卫自建立以来,原本地位平等,职权相似,然而东厂毕竟身处皇宫大内,也更容易得到皇上的信任。而且锦衣卫向皇帝奏报,需要具疏上奏,但东厂却可口头直达到了成祖时期,甚至还赋予了东厂监督锦衣卫动向的权力。由此一来,这东厂和锦衣卫的关系,也逐渐由平级变成了上下级关系。所以东厂办事,其实大都是在调派锦衣卫的人手。”
说到这里,李立德意有所指的继续说道:“说了这些,大人也应当已是明白,这锦衣卫如今虽说地位不如东厂西厂,甚至渐渐沦为附庸,但对东厂西厂而言,锦衣卫却是权势根本之处,不仅内中人员皆是由锦衣卫处挑选,每当行事,亦是从锦衣卫处调集人手。当初西厂两次创建,之所以权势地位皆要高过东厂一些,就是因为西厂对锦衣卫的影响更大,所领的缇骑,也就是锦衣卫校尉,甚至要比东厂多上一倍。所以依下官想来,大人此次奉命重建西厂,担任厂督之职,若是想要有所作为,这锦衣卫就是最最紧要之处,是务必要好好拉拢的。”
西厂还未建立,李立德已是在撺掇着赵俊臣与东厂夺权了。
赵俊臣却神色不动,只是认真听着,点了点头,示意李立德继续说下去。
而对于李立德所说的这些,赵俊臣心中了然之后。亦是心中有数,这次重建西厂,赵俊臣虽然打算从外朝三司、京内禁军处中多调派些人手。而不仅仅只是侧重于锦衣卫,但锦衣卫赵俊臣还是要着重拉拢的。
而且,锦衣卫虽然一直都是历代明朝帝王眼中最亲信之人,但终究还是属于外臣,与东厂的那新官,毕竟还是有些隔阂的,而如今西厂建立后。由同样是外臣的赵俊臣担任厂督,拉拢锦衣卫,其实是有着天然优势的。
在赵俊臣暗思之时。李立德则继续解释着东厂建制:“说完建制,咱们再说这东厂的规矩制度,却也是别具一。东厂权大,除了监视朝野动向和侦缉抓人之外。三司与锦衣卫会审大案。东厂也都会派人在旁听审,名为听记而朝中各个衙门,亦有东厂人员坐班,负责监视,被称为坐记。每隔一段时间,东厂的档头番子们就会通过抓阄来决定各自的职责范围,平日里各司其责,倒也井然有序。不见疏漏。”总裁深度爱
说到这里,李立德向着赵俊臣躬身一礼后。说道:“下官对于东厂的了解,大约就是这些,还望能对大人筹建西厂能有所益助。”
见李立德介绍完毕,赵俊臣点了点头,沉吟间缓缓开口道:“这东厂运转多年,一向成效不俗,其规矩规制,显然自有其独到之处,既然西厂之前两次建立,结构运转都是参照东厂,那么咱们也不妨萧规曹随,东厂怎么做,今后西厂就怎么做,本官对这般衙门毕竟还是不熟,不妨先行把架子搭建起来再慢慢摸索就是,也没必要为了独树一帜而有所更改,最后反而落得自作聪明的下场。”
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“哦,这样啊。”赵俊臣恍然,有些猜到了太子的来意,喃喃道:“想来是陛下南巡的前期筹备结束了,这件事是由户部负责出钱。由太子负责具体操办,这次他来找我。应该是银钱结算的事情了,不过就为了这种事情,他也不至于亲自来吧”总裁深度爱
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无他,自“突发急病”以来,赵俊臣对于门下官员皆是避而不见,唯独屡屡把李立德召来详谈,虽说有何明灭门案的缘故,但若是借着机会好好表现,在李立德想来,未必就不能提高自己在赵俊臣心中的地位。
所以,来到赵俊臣的书房后,赵俊臣刚刚让他落座,李立德就略带急切的再次起身,向赵俊臣表现道:“大人再次召见下官,可还是因为何明老太师灭门案的事情还请大人放心,下官已是派出刑部中的得力人手,老道部员,联合大理寺与都察院的人一同查案,想必很快就会有结果的。”
赵俊臣先是点了点头,接着又摇了摇头,缓缓说道:“你办事,我自然放心,不过今日找你来我这儿,却不是为了何明老太师的案子。”
李立德不由一愣,抬头向着赵俊臣看去,才发现赵俊臣此时的表情很qiguai,似喜似忧,又似乎在沉思着什么。总裁深度爱
“不知究竟何事还请大人指教。”
赵俊臣沉声道:“这件事情,今天陛下才与本官一同定了下来,尚处于秘密筹备阶段。如今与你说,亦是希望能借你之力,但你切不可向他人泄露消息。”
王立德明白赵俊臣这是要向自己透漏什么机密之事。显然把自己当做亲近之人看待,不由面露期待。
其实,只是因为这西厂筹建的事情,赵俊臣经验不足,没有太多头绪,而如今在赵俊臣的门下,也只有身为刑部侍郎的李立德可以帮忙出出主意罢了。
于是就在李立德的期待之间。赵俊臣缓声说道:“如今陛下已是有意重建西厂,不过此次情况,却与之前不同。并非由内廷负责,而是交由本官,重建之后,亦是由本官担任厂督。”
和许庆彦一样。李立德也没有想到这件事所蕴含的危机。只想到了西厂未废时的种种威风,不由大喜,忍不住再次站起身来,大声说道:“大人此言当真这可真是大喜事啊若是大人兼任了西厂厂督之位,日后您在朝中的权势影响,必是会大涨的,那么咱们就再也不惧任何人了。”
一旦赵俊臣势大,身为赵俊臣门下的官员。李立德的地位权势自然也水涨船高,此时的李立德。只觉得自己跟对了人。
赵俊臣见李立德如此,也没有向他解释其中的隐忧,只是叹息一声,摇头道:“事情哪里有这么简单陛下虽说把这差事强交给了我,但西厂这般监察缉审的衙门该如何筹建,我又如何懂得今日把你叫来,是因为你在刑部任职多年,相关经验丰富,与那东厂和锦衣卫也有了解激echu,却是想要向你请教了。”
听赵俊臣这么说,李立德连忙摆手道:“大人言重了,以大人的聪慧才智,对这些小事自是一听就懂一看就明,指点两字,又如何说得。”
说话间,见赵俊臣只是静静的看着自己,并没有多说什么,显然不愿意只听这般客套话,李立德又说道:“不过正如大人所说,下官在刑部多年,与东厂衙门多有激echu,对于如今西厂筹建,心中也略有所得,还望大人指教。”
说到这里,只见李立德沉吟片刻后,又缓缓开口道:“据下官所知,当初西厂的规划建制,一向都是参照东厂的,而东厂自厂督以下,设掌班、领班、司房五六十人,皆是由锦衣卫拨给,分为子丑寅卯十二班而负责具体侦缉工作的,则是下面的档头和番子,共有两百多人,同样分为子丑寅卯十二班,亦同样是由锦衣卫中挑选的精干分子组成。”
赵俊臣对此却不太了解,不由一愣,说道:“哦这东厂的建制倒是精练,竟是仅有区区三百人左右,这么点人又如何足够自厩到地方的巡查缉捕倒是出乎本官意料之外。”
李立德笑道:“这就是下官要向大人禀报的关键之处了,这东厂人数虽然不多,但锦衣卫的人多啊。东厂与锦衣卫自建立以来,原本地位平等,职权相似,然而东厂毕竟身处皇宫大内,也更容易得到皇上的信任。而且锦衣卫向皇帝奏报,需要具疏上奏,但东厂却可口头直达到了成祖时期,甚至还赋予了东厂监督锦衣卫动向的权力。由此一来,这东厂和锦衣卫的关系,也逐渐由平级变成了上下级关系。所以东厂办事,其实大都是在调派锦衣卫的人手。”
说到这里,李立德意有所指的继续说道:“说了这些,大人也应当已是明白,这锦衣卫如今虽说地位不如东厂西厂,甚至渐渐沦为附庸,但对东厂西厂而言,锦衣卫却是权势根本之处,不仅内中人员皆是由锦衣卫处挑选,每当行事,亦是从锦衣卫处调集人手。当初西厂两次创建,之所以权势地位皆要高过东厂一些,就是因为西厂对锦衣卫的影响更大,所领的缇骑,也就是锦衣卫校尉,甚至要比东厂多上一倍。所以依下官想来,大人此次奉命重建西厂,担任厂督之职,若是想要有所作为,这锦衣卫就是最最紧要之处,是务必要好好拉拢的。”
西厂还未建立,李立德已是在撺掇着赵俊臣与东厂夺权了。
赵俊臣却神色不动,只是认真听着,点了点头,示意李立德继续说下去。
而对于李立德所说的这些,赵俊臣心中了然之后。亦是心中有数,这次重建西厂,赵俊臣虽然打算从外朝三司、京内禁军处中多调派些人手。而不仅仅只是侧重于锦衣卫,但锦衣卫赵俊臣还是要着重拉拢的。
而且,锦衣卫虽然一直都是历代明朝帝王眼中最亲信之人,但终究还是属于外臣,与东厂的那新官,毕竟还是有些隔阂的,而如今西厂建立后。由同样是外臣的赵俊臣担任厂督,拉拢锦衣卫,其实是有着天然优势的。
在赵俊臣暗思之时。李立德则继续解释着东厂建制:“说完建制,咱们再说这东厂的规矩制度,却也是别具一。东厂权大,除了监视朝野动向和侦缉抓人之外。三司与锦衣卫会审大案。东厂也都会派人在旁听审,名为听记而朝中各个衙门,亦有东厂人员坐班,负责监视,被称为坐记。每隔一段时间,东厂的档头番子们就会通过抓阄来决定各自的职责范围,平日里各司其责,倒也井然有序。不见疏漏。”总裁深度爱
说到这里,李立德向着赵俊臣躬身一礼后。说道:“下官对于东厂的了解,大约就是这些,还望能对大人筹建西厂能有所益助。”
见李立德介绍完毕,赵俊臣点了点头,沉吟间缓缓开口道:“这东厂运转多年,一向成效不俗,其规矩规制,显然自有其独到之处,既然西厂之前两次建立,结构运转都是参照东厂,那么咱们也不妨萧规曹随,东厂怎么做,今后西厂就怎么做,本官对这般衙门毕竟还是不熟,不妨先行把架子搭建起来再慢慢摸索就是,也没必要为了独树一帜而有所更改,最后反而落得自作聪明的下场。”
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“哦,这样啊。”赵俊臣恍然,有些猜到了太子的来意,喃喃道:“想来是陛下南巡的前期筹备结束了,这件事是由户部负责出钱。由太子负责具体操办,这次他来找我。应该是银钱结算的事情了,不过就为了这种事情,他也不至于亲自来吧”总裁深度爱
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